"The most famous judge in America, for a while," on highs and lows of a Trump trial

Justice Arthur Engoron was walking his dog in the early morning darkness on Jan. 11, 2024, when he saw police lights in the distance, a lot of them. The New York Supreme Court judge realized they were descending on his home.

"There's been a credible bomb threat against your house. Is there anybody else in the house?" Engoron recalled a police lieutenant asking.

Yes, he replied, his wife and kids. He roused them. They walked away from the house in the cold winter air.

A few hours later, Engoron was in his courtroom, on the bench in front of the most famous and powerful defendant in U.S. history — Donald Trump. In a fitting finale to what had been a dramatic civil fraud trial, marked by near-daily shouting, hundreds upon hundreds of objections, and campaign antics, then-former President Trump went against the judge's instructions to deliver his own closing argument.

Now retired, Engoron sat down with CBS News for his first on-camera interview since the 2023 trial, reflecting on his career and the highs and lows of his moment in the spotlight. He sees a thread from that trial to the wider, harsh public discourse around judges today. It's an environment that led the U.S. Marshals Service recently to ask Congress for increased funds for federal judicial security, citing increased threats.

"I think that there will be some people that will be less inclined to become judges because the threat level has apparently increased," Engoron said. "Those are probably not the people that should be judges, though."

The early morning bomb threat was neither the first nor last threat Engoron received. He told CBS News he was subjected to a cascade of antisemitic and homophobic taunts, and sent an envelope with white powder. Engoron said he still gets harassing phone calls, and recounted a man walking up to him recently at his gym and calling him "a f—ing piece of s–t."

"Judges would know the primary rule: We cannot fight back," Engoron said. "That just goes with the territory. No matter what we're called."

The quirky, wise-cracking judge really seemed to get under Mr. Trump's skin. The defendant frequently stepped just outside the courtroom, lambasting the case and Engoron. He and his supporters called the judge a "wack job," "lunatic," "deranged," "corrupt," "radical," and other derogatory names.

The judge never responded, but he drew a red line, which Mr. Trump violated: going after the judge's staff.

A court officer had to escort the judge's law clerk to and from her home after Mr. Trump repeatedly posted and talked about her, Engoron said.

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